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  Watchtowers million dollar scam

  by GeddyLee in

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  back in the late eighties i was on the committee to build our cities new double kingdom hall so that all five halls would be under one roof.

  we needed to come up with five hundred thousand dollars to complete the new hall, so we had a kingdom hall fund drive where the local brothers would raise the needed funds.

  after two years we had collected the half million dollars, and guess where that money went????????

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  I stumbled across this older, and very interesting thread! You just have to ask, "Where the heck is all the money going???"

  What the heck have they done with it all.... ???
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  My Mother Died Two Weeks Ago

  by Perry in

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  none of my jehovah's witness relatives called to tell me or my family.

  just found out this morning.

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  I lost my mom recently, only 4 months ago, and am so sorry to hear this.

  Unbelievable how cold and truly thoughtless they are, I cannot imagine the full tumult of feelings & emotions that you must be going through.

  Just... Breathe... I had a social worker at my mom's nursing home tell me that when emotions or thoughts become too intense, take at least 3 slow, deep breaths in and out... repeat as necessary... It is supposed to help reset something in your brain she said, and I have found it somewhat helpful. Other times I just need to scream and cry and feel the pain. Be gentle with yourself.

  We are here.
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  2015. Annual meeting

  by obarac in

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  any news?

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  I love this!! Thank you for for posting this photo -- and thanks to Orphan Crow here, I love examining the Society's pictures now --

  Look at the wee thumbnail photo of the Watchtower magazine about honesty -- A HAND REACHING TOWARD A WALLET -- hahahahahaha! Nothing "relevant" there, eh? Hahaha

  And what a stupid photo at the top -- showing two people, probably missionaries, talking to the man with the heavily-loaded oxen-drawn cart. The two sisters are totally clueless about Bulls. One stands right behind the TAIL of one of them, and the other very close to the bull's horns. And also standing so close to such a heavy cart, with the man controlling the two oxen with such flimsy, thin looking rope.

  ( kinda like how the WT's own chariot is heavily loaded, ready to whack you in the face with a shitty tail or gouge you with its horns, or liable to go out of control at any moment! - while the pubs draw close and stand so close to it, unaware of any danger....)

  .... And for those who like to look for satanic images in WT pictures, haha, see how the ox's horns dominate the perspective, rising up from the bottom of the photo.... (just throwing that out there. Ya never know.... ;)

  
  

  
  
  
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  Oct. 1/15 Daytext is soooo Ironic - all about making sacrifices to serve at Bethel & assist in building work!!

  by Muddy Waters in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thursday, october 1, 2015.

  "in willingness i will sacrifice to you."ps.

  certain sacrifices are fundamental for all true christians and are essential to our cultivating and maintaining a good relationship with jehovah.

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  Muddy Waters

  I wonder if the Bethel families read this day text yesterday before they received their letters to leave.....
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  Oct. 1/15 Daytext is soooo Ironic - all about making sacrifices to serve at Bethel & assist in building work!!

  by Muddy Waters in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thursday, october 1, 2015.

  "in willingness i will sacrifice to you."ps.

  certain sacrifices are fundamental for all true christians and are essential to our cultivating and maintaining a good relationship with jehovah.

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  Muddy Waters

  You know what else makes me mad when I read their crap now -- is how it's all about them and keeping your focus on them -- they talk about building "spiritual qualities" and "maintaining a good relationship with Jehovah" by reading their stupid literature, studying their stupid literature, making comments at meetings about and from their stupid literature, and then trying to get total strangers to read their stupid literature too! It's all about following their program -- a treadmill of meetings, field service, study, blech!!

  NOTHING about good deeds, charity toward others, being kind and helpful... Or spending your time with family & friends, or doing volunteer work that has practical value. Just slog along on their treadmill, with everybody supposed to be doing the same thing, no matter that we are all different .... and even their stupid Bible texts say that "not all of you should become teachers," etc., and that different body parts all have different functions....

  Bah.
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  Oct. 1/15 Daytext is soooo Ironic - all about making sacrifices to serve at Bethel & assist in building work!!

  by Muddy Waters in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thursday, october 1, 2015.

  "in willingness i will sacrifice to you."ps.

  certain sacrifices are fundamental for all true christians and are essential to our cultivating and maintaining a good relationship with jehovah.

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  Thursday, October 1, 2015

  "In willingness I will sacrifice to you."—Ps. 54:6.

  Certain sacrifices are fundamental for all true Christians and are essential to our cultivating and maintaining a good relationship with Jehovah. Such sacrifices include devoting personal time and energy to prayer, Bible reading, family worship, meeting attendance, and the field ministry. (Josh. 1:8; Matt. 28:19, 20;Heb. 10:24, 25) As a result of our efforts and Jehovah’s blessing, the preaching work is accelerating, and many continue to stream to “the mountain of the house of Jehovah.” (Isa. 2:2)

  To support Kingdom activities, many make sacrifices to serve at Bethel, to assist with building Kingdom Halls and Assembly Halls, to organize conventions, or to do relief work in the wake of natural disasters. This additional work is not a requirement to gain life but is vital to supporting Kingdom interests. It is a joy to see that many are willingly making sacrifices for Jehovah. w13 12/15 2:2, 3

  Examining the Scriptures—2015
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  Watch the GB lie

  by jonza in

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  2. child-abuse

  just a short clip i made of gb members contradicting (lying) about the child abuse issues.

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  Muddy Waters

  This is great.

  You know what is really weird though, that in Lett's talk from the WT /JW broadcast channel given TO JWs, he said, "...As an example, think about the apostate-driven lies & dishonesties that Jehovah's organization is permissive toward pedophiles."

  What I don't get is why any JW would even know about this, most have their heads buried in the sand (unless, sadly, it's happened to them or someone they know). So Lett is bringing something up -- from "apostates"!!! (supposedly) -- which JWs are supposed to "think about," then, in the next breath, totally dismiss and view as ridiculous lies.
  

  I know, it's all part of damage control. Still, it's all just so stupid.

  Such weirdness -- "THINK ABOUT these apostate driven lies - and now don't think about them. They are lies."

  
  
  
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  It's not your conduct, it's your status

  by donny in

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  2. beliefs

  jw's often state that their practice of disfellowshipping is used to keep the congregation clean and free of "worldly" influences and the like, however that is just pure b.s.

  in actual practice, all they actually care about is your status according to the watchtower society.

  case in point is ray's situation.. ray disassociated himself about 20 years ago because elders and other jw's were constantly spreading false rumors after he quit attending meetings.

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  It sounds like another Ray not Ray Franz.

  And hopefully Ray is a pseudonym.
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  How do we know the WTS monitors this site? Can anyone tell me for sure?

  by LevelThePlayingField in

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  i keep hearing this in threads.....

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  Muddy Waters

  I wonder about this too. And once upon a time, perhaps 4 or 5 years ago, I shared here and on other ex-JW sites the major reason for my awakening -- it was due to looking through the BS book, My Book of Bible Stories. I was going to give this book to my little grandchildren when I suddenly saw it through their little eyes, and the images were so shocking, frightening and horrible to me.

  I posted about this, and poof -- a year or two later comes Caleb and Sophia. Now I'm not saying there is a connection, but it does make me wonder.
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  Remember that Letter to Elders that asked them to privately inquire if any of the brothers were LAWYERS.....

  by Muddy Waters in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i remember a thread here somewhere where a letter to the body of elders was posted and elders were to read part of the letter asking who might have experience or training in video media, graphic design, etc.

  then on a separate page not to be read to the congregation was for elders to make discreet inquiries as to any who might have legal knowledge, experience or expertise.. well, in view of all this new kafluffle about branch closures, building work suspended, bethel layoffs, etc., it really makes me wonder now just what the heck is going on.

  has the gb been shafted by their own legal counsel or financial advisors?

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  Muddy Waters

  I remember a thread here somewhere where a letter to the body of elders was posted and elders were to read part of the letter asking who might have experience or training in video media, graphic design, etc. then on a separate page NOT TO BE READ to the congregation was for elders to make discreet inquiries as to any who might have legal knowledge, experience or expertise.

  Well, in view of all this new kafluffle about branch closures, building work suspended, Bethel layoffs, etc., it really makes me wonder now just what the heck is going on. Has the GB been shafted by their own legal counsel or financial advisors? Could they have put their trust in the son of earthling man (worldly counsel?) and are now reaping what they have sown?

  I am also noting the really weird behaviours recently from both Sam Herd and Anthony Morris in their broadcast talks from different months, though very recent. Both of them had such similar demeanours -- defeated, tired, dispirited, uncomfortable.... There was no excitement in their manner, they did not sound encouraged or encouraging.

  And there is also the issue of payouts to victims of child abuse and child sexual abuse... and now questions as to their charitable status...

  It all makes you wonder, What the heck is really going on?? Is the money well really drying up?

  I mean, we really don't know, we can only speculate, it is all so very weird.